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Why would you assume most people only download one file at a time? Are they still using dialup? With services like google docs and dropbox, it common that people do indeed download multiple files at the same time. Also, it should be noted that Chrome splits up the downloads in its download bar and it's the most popular browser, so I think people are handling it just fine.

I'm not saying people don't sometimes download more than one file, I just think it's likely that most people aren't downloading multiple files at once most of the time - which makes it the better case to primarily design for. It should obviously still be able to cope with multiple at once.

Putting the download time and speed is not pointless. I've lost count of how many times I would be waiting for a download to finish and start doing something else that is bandwidth consuming (e.g. watch youtube), prolonging the time for the file to finish. DL Statusbar solves that problem and makes me aware of my activities by providing details of all the pending files. If someone does not want the download bar to show up during the downloading itself, they can just implement a simple option to "hide until complete."

The new UI has the download time on it. The speed in kb/s is something only advanced users care about - everyone else just wants to know when it's done. (I do personally care a bit about that info, but that's cause I'm a techie)

My point is mozilla shouldn't be putting in a half-baked feature that is just as useless as the current download popup menu. People love to argue the "what if someone doesn't want it like that." The solution is always to just add an on/off switch. This does not only apply to firefox, but other programs as well. With that said, they need to implement the dl statusbar into firefox and offer options to control it's behavior to the user's liking.

Note, it's not finished yet, and won't be until it's actually live in people's hands. It will have an on/off switch, in that it can still be replaced by an addon. Otherwise, what would the on/off switch be? If it means keeping the current UI - that's not what you (or I) want either.

(Btw, just want to note, I am not implying the current version is perfect.)

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I'm not saying people don't sometimes download more than one file, I just think it's likely that most people aren't downloading multiple files at once most of the time - which makes it the better case to primarily design for. It should obviously still be able to cope with multiple at once.

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I might download 4-5 files at once (or through something like DownThemAll, 100-200 :shiftyninja:), very rarely do I ever care about the individual progress (total progress is more important IMO), and I only ever care about the download speed when it's lower than expected (200KBps vs. 600KBps, etc.) I don't use the taskbar progress much either as it blends in (I often have green-ish wallpapers, and the highlight makes it kinda hard to see)

So for me, hiding the total progress and all the items behind a single icon is a much nicer proposition than filling the UI with progress meters. If people don't like it they can always use an extension to change it, but they realistically don't need to show all this information by default.

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Have there been any changes to the smart bookmarks, or the way that the syntax for searches is constructed? I had a smart folder set up for unsorted bookmarks, and I specifically wanted the most recently added items at the top of the list. I think I remember reading that the smart folders feature would be depreciated / removed entirely.

The folder still works, but now there's a glitch where the list repeats itself twice for some reason. The repeated items also can't be deleted. It seems they're like ghost items. Deleting the "original" bookmarks above it, will remove both, but any changes made are only reflected after I hover over another folder and then go back.

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This was the syntax that I cobbled together:


place:folder=UNFILED_BOOKMARKS&sort=12&excludeQueries=1&maxResults=10&queryType=1
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Several snappy bugs landing... Browser really now seems to me snappier then before. Also startup time is now little better as well.

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Just to add to that, it certainly won't be in Fx12, as it has long left the station. New features will never land once the code has split off nightly (Fx12 is in Aurora).

Yeah.

Ok so its gonna land real soon now , like this week maybe?

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^That looks loads better on the OSX version as the noise effect makes more sense. Plus it fits the overall colour scheme better, it looks more consistent. To me it looks way out of place on the Windows version design wise.

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^That looks loads better on the OSX version as the noise effect makes more sense. Plus it fits the overall colour scheme better, it looks more consistent. To me it looks way out of place on the Windows version design wise.

To me everything looks better design wise for Firefox on OSX, compared to Windows. :p

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To me everything looks better design wise for Firefox on OSX, compared to Windows. :p

Same, haha. Though it could look nice in Windows as well if it looked native.

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The latest Nightly is very buggy on the Windows 8 consumer preview, which is to be expected.

Yup that is for definite, the UI is completely messed up and glitching here and some web pages are messy too. Also downloads are not saving to where I have it set to save them, downloads also stop randomly or don't start until I click them in the downloads manager and right clicking a download to "open containing folder" is greyed out.

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Yup that is for definite, the UI is completely messed up and glitching here and some web pages are messy too. Also downloads are not saving to where I have it set to save them, downloads also stop randomly or don't start until I click them in the downloads manager and right clicking a download to "open containing folder" is greyed out.

Yep, can't download any files or even change where my downloads go without it crashing. My bookmarks don't show up in the bookmarks sidebar either. I still use it to browse but have to use Chrome (which is much more compatible at the moment) to download files. Hopefully Mozilla release an alpha of their proposed metro Firefox for Windows 8 or something.

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So when is the rest of the incontent UI going to drop?

Good question.. but Mozilla is trying their hardest to get a lot of bugs fixed before they worry about the apparance I guess
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  • Snappy weekly summary
  • Increase in negative SUMO reports mentioned last week was due to over-counting. There might be some networking regressions, but no general slowdown.
    • To make SUMO reports more useful to developers we are looking to attach telemetry data: bug 732522.

    [*]Nick is getting rid of main thread cache locks, bug 723577. Limited initial testing indicates this is a very big win.

    [*]Brian?s prefetch nuking bug 692255 is moving along.

    [*]Interactivity profiling is close to landing, bug 710935.

    [*]Dietrich is looking to alter our startup sequence to show the main window sooner, bug 715402.

    [*]Vlad tweaked chromehang to work on all windows versions and is working on the serverside component with Benjamin, bug 712109.

    [*]Taras posted the plan to shut down Firefox efficiently. Rafael is working on this in bug 662444. Feedback appreciated.

    [*]Jared has landed more of Avi?s smooth scrolling tweaks on the ux-branch, bug 198964.

    [*]Dietrich and Andrew are looking into massive CC pauses after resume, bug 639262.

    [*]Nathan landed persistent telemetry, bug 707320...but it?s not quite working yet, bug 732970.

    [*]See Chris' great post on DOM Local Storage and the related discussion.

Source : https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-03-06#Performance

A lot of Snappy Bugs are landing soon (or have landed) to make start up , shut down and normal UI faster

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Some Australis style landed in latest UX, sadly they also removed the new home tab :/

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Some Australis style landed in latest UX, sadly they also removed the new home tab :/

is it just me or the blues on hovering on refresh/go are not distinguishable properly?

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