updates Meet the browser: Firefox Next

[rsnn]

So nobody here using Adblock Plus?

[Ghost5525]

So nobody here using Adblock Plus?

I continue to use it but i'm beginning to feel by reading these comments that maybe I shouldn't....

[+Zlip792 MVC]

I continue to use it but i'm beginning to feel by reading these comments that maybe I shouldn't....

 

Its great but it size is hefty, Palant does optimize and remain at cutting edge with Nightly compatibility, still I feel, it does slow down browsing quite a much with about 2 or 3 filter lists. It also allows Acceptable ads by default, which IMO does defy the purpose of addons.

 

Not to mention, it has too many locales in it which slow down at browser startup. (ghacks.net article mentioned it, couldn't manage to find it)

[Max Norris]

So nobody here using Adblock Plus?

With Firefox I didn't mind it, works really well and used it for the longest time.. didn't much care about the resource usage as Firefox is still relatively lightweight compared to Chrome, but since I use Chrome a lot now too and due to some fairly big restrictions in what an extension can do versus Firefox, I personally switched to AdGuard, the standalone program not the plugin.  Zero browser impact as a different process is handling it, plus it covers all browsers at once with the same rules.   If I didn't have Chrome in the mix I'd probably still be using ABP full time.

[bawz]

looks like Fedora Linux Developers may Dump Firefox as default install somewhere between F23 an F25, https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/204272.html this could hurt Mozilla but i can see  why, Mozilla are putting in stupid crap into the browser lately, like this Phone thing, for starters, 

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

I doubt Fedora dropping Firefox would hurt much (As much as I like it, Linux accounts for something like 1% market share)

And as people have pointed out in that thread, it's nothing new as they include Google searching by default.

Edit: Oh, and the suggested replacement isn't safe to use according to the developers of it.

[bawz]

I doubt Fedora dropping Firefox would hurt much (As much as I like it, Linux accounts for something like 1% market share)

And as people have pointed out in that thread, it's nothing new as they include Google searching by default.

Edit: Oh, and the suggested replacement isn't safe to use according to the developers of it.

the developers of it say its notr ready to be used as default. not unsafe, you read that wrong. i know plenty of people that use it currently. Epiphany still has a long way to go before its even usable as being the default browser. 

 

but if Ubuntu also follow suite an drop Firefox as default also whikch they have been considering at doing. . Debain could also follow suite. ( but still keep it in the repo's ) , even myself nowadays dont use firefox much, by going into that thread on firefox you would of noticed some guy mentioned there's 10,000 Bugs on firefox plus more. , firefox works best on  a smartphone 

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Midori does not securely handle unverified TLS certificates, so it's not safe to use for HTTPS. It's not even worth considering until that's fixed.

No, I did indeed read that right.

Ubuntu likes to do it's own thing, much like Debian it wouldn't surprise me if they just forked Firefox and made their own changes (Debian doing so was a pretty stupid decision btw, they wanted to make changes without having upstream sign off on them, which lead to the OpenSSL security vulnerability they created, among other things). And arguments about bug counts are meaningless (There are open bugs about making Firefox a word processor, etc.), no software is bug free and it's just an odd argument to make (Chrome has a boat load of open bugs too)

[bawz]

Midori does not securely handle unverified TLS certificates, so it's not
safe to use for HTTPS. It's not even worth considering until that's
fixed. 

 

Midori isnt Epiphany 

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Correct, Midori isn't Epiphany. But they are still both the suggested replacements, Epiphany for the main release and Midori was suggested for other releases.

I personally think the whole thing is a non-issue, the way some people are talking about the ads you'd expect them to be some Clockwork Orange type deal, when in reality they're no different to the included bookmarks other browsers include. Any "tracking" only comes about if you click on the ads, and that's pretty mild too (i.e. knowing you clicked on a link to Amazon is pointless, because you're loading the Amazon site anyway and they know your IP, browser, OS, etc.)

Of course, the Debian guys are currently having a meltdown over the right type of init system to use (SysV vs. systemd), so it's not that strange that a non-issue can quickly become a heated topic.

[taim]

Maybe they'll have an epiphany that the only choose is Epiphany.

[bawz]

Correct, Midori isn't Epiphany. But they are still both the suggested replacements, Epiphany for the main release and Midori was suggested for other releases.

I personally think the whole thing is a non-issue, the way some people are talking about the ads you'd expect them to be some Clockwork Orange type deal, when in reality they're no different to the included bookmarks other browsers include. Any "tracking" only comes about if you click on the ads, and that's pretty mild too (i.e. knowing you clicked on a link to Amazon is pointless, because you're loading the Amazon site anyway and they know your IP, browser, OS, etc.)

Of course, the Debian guys are currently having a meltdown over the right type of init system to use (SysV vs. systemd), so it's not that strange that a non-issue can quickly become a heated topic.

the Ads are an issue, one shouldnt be forced to Disable those Ads in the first place, thats why there is something called " Bookmarks " if one wanted that crap, they should add them to there bookmarks. but one has to go into about:config an adjust it to there liking. there are many people that do not like being TRACKED. i for one. its called " PRIVACY " 

 

sYSV IS OLD OUTDATED tECHNOLOGY ( just go to Lennart Poelterings blog an read the diffferences ) http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ . but one could argue the same about Gecko, old technology. its also Firefox is becoming bloated with useless crap. why does one need this phonecall crap in a browser ? when one can download an use that other popular software to make a call? ( Microsoft now owns it ) . Fedora/Redhat have policy's . they cant use Patented software. l. it, firefox is becoming a closed source browser 

 

i recall Netscape went downhill once it started adding social media like crap. an you wonder why lots of those users came over to firefox. now firefox is going the same way 

[+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹]

there are many people that do not like being TRACKED. i for one. its called " PRIVACY "

 

Then don't click on the ads? AIUI, these aren't any different than pre-installed bookmarks.

 

sYSV IS OLD OUTDATED tECHNOLOGY ( just go to Lennart Poelterings blog an read the diffferences ) http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ .

I think you slightly missed the point of his comment about the init daemon.

 

but one could argue the same about Gecko, old technology.

Not really. Gecko's codebase may be old, but it's hardly "outdated" or obsolete. It's under constant development, be that for e10s, HTML5 features, new ES6/7 features or new WebAPIs.

 

its also Firefox is becoming bloated with useless crap. why does one need this phonecall crap in a browser ? when one can download an use that other popular software to make a call? ( Microsoft now owns it ) .

It's primarily a showcase for WebRTC, IMHO. It's showing that you can build these applications using web technologies and that they'll work as well (or better) than the native, proprietary equivalents.

 

Skype sucks, I'd much rather have WebRTC.

 

firefox is becoming a closed source browser

That's just a ridiculous statement.

 

i recall Netscape went downhill once it started adding social media like crap. an you wonder why lots of those users came over to firefox. now firefox is going the same way

 

Netscape went down hill due to bad corporate management, not bad engineering. It was the execs that pushed half-baked Navigator code out to production users and tanked their reputation. Being sold to AOL didn't help.

 

Mozilla was founded by Netscape engineers who were graciously given funding by AOL and spun out in to their own thing.

[bawz]

Multiprocessing should have been in the browser years ago. i recall there's an old Bug about that. we have to thank Google for Mozilla even getting off there butt to even get it done in mozilla. , WebRTC is only good for Windows an possibly Mac PC's. 

 

if skype sucks so much, why is there Millions using it?

 

 "firefox is becoming a closed source browser"

 

hate to say it but it is. 

[+Red King Subscriber²]

Maximized Firefox got white screen for a few seconds. GJ Mozilla.

 

New tab has spam. GJ Mozilla.

 

At work, Firefox stops rendering until you resize sometimes. GJ Mozilla

 

:/

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Multiprocessing should have been in the browser years ago. i recall there's an old Bug about that. we have to thank Google for Mozilla even getting off there butt to even get it done in mozilla. , WebRTC is only good for Windows an possibly Mac PC's. 

 

if skype sucks so much, why is there Millions using it?

 

 "firefox is becoming a closed source browser"[/size]

 

hate to say it but it is. [/size]

Do you know what WebRTC actually is? Why wouldn't Linux users want it?

Same with "closed source", they aren't restricting access to their source code at all (Hell, even the OpenH264 module is open source, it's the patents that are a sticking point)

[francescob]

Oh noes!

 

http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/19/7250513/firefox-signs-yahoo-as-default-search-engine-

 

Just when everything was coming up Milhouse Firefox. Oh well, at least you can easily switch to something else, I hope they won't set it as default for users who already had Firefox installed though.

[rsnn]

Oh noes!

 

http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/19/7250513/firefox-signs-yahoo-as-default-search-engine-

 

Just when everything was coming up Milhouse Firefox. Oh well, at least you can easily switch to something else, I hope they won't set it as default for users who already had Firefox installed though.

 

As far as I know it only affects to US users. Mozilla has agreements with Yandex in Russia and Baidu in China too. So I guess that for the rest they'll keep Google

[+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹]

WebRTC is only good for Windows an possibly Mac PC's.

Err, what? WebRTC works perfectly well on Linux.

 

if skype sucks so much, why is there Millions using it?

Because it used to suck less. And at the time it was gaining in popularity there wasn't really any competition.

 

hate to say it but it is.

 

Please show me the parts of Firefox that don't have source code released for them?

[+Zlip792 MVC]

From Mozilla-inbound:

 

Only crucial ones:

 

Canvas 2D

Implement Canvas2D resetTransform method - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1099148

 

Electrolysis (e10s)

Don't ignore child-side PBackground protocol errors - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1102052

[e10s] Port the built-in Gecko profiler to e10s - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1008435

enable browser_ctrlTab.js for e10s - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101268

[e10s] Plugin hangs with new plugin IPC code - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1093693

Lots of onStateChange messages sent to parent; nsBrowserStatusFilter should be used in the content process rather than in the chrome process - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1099490

LogAlloc has mangled output with e10s on Windows - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1098967

RemoteAddonsParent/ContentPolicyParent gets nsIContentPolicy implementation the wrong way - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1098969

Throbber never stops throbbing in remote tab - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1075122

[e10s] Navigation breaks compartment-per-addon - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1092156

Add-on shims are disabled for new e10s window - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1099416

[e10s] File > Save Page As? doesn't work in e10s tabs - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1058251

 

WebVR

Support VR rendering in layers - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1036602

Add options dict and vrDevice to mozRequestFullScreen - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1036606

Extend MakeFullScreen to take a nsIScreen for selecting full screen display - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1036597

Add VRDevice interface and getVRDevices - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1036604

 

SIMD

SIMD.js: Add minNum/maxNum to the interpreter and update min/max - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1094855

SIMD: OdinMonkey support for load, store - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1079361

SIMD: Add {float32x4,int32x4}.{load,store} to the interpreter - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088709

 

ES7

Implement Array.prototype.includes - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1069063

 

Graphics

Remove double-buffered ImageClient - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101552

Direct2D 1.1 doesn't clean up well after itself - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101130

 

Layout

Event regions are only added for stacking contexts - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101260

Inactive subframes are not added to the dispatch-to-content region - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082594

Implement display:contents - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=907396

[RTL] Caret is mispositioned in empty RTL contenteditable block, when the parent isn't also a block - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097894

Merge parts of nsAnimationManager and nsTransitionManager - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1085769

Image background not painted, with "object-fit:none" and larger <img> element - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101128

Dragging multiple files to a file input field works even if it has no "multiple" attribute - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=992691

turn on the compile-time switch for vertical writing-mode support - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097128

Animation of CSS transform: rotateX() shakes as it crosses rotation of 0, when hw acceleration off - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097776

 

JS Engine:

IonMonkey: Implement StringReplace recover instruction - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1066040

[jsdbg2] Only bail out of Ion on debugger; if there's a live onDebuggerStatement hook - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1102548

[jsdbg2] Debugger.Memory.prototype.takeCensus doesn't find all the roots - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083456

Not using getprop IC stubs for functions due to resolve hook - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100594

Keep track of typed object reference properties in type information - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096539

Fix the StoreBuffer - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100652

Regular expression after yield is not parsed correctly - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1099956

Inline |new Array(x)| - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100513

Assigning to a const variable is a syntax error - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1095439

Optimize accesses to known inline or outline typed objects - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1095952

IonMonkey: Implement Hypot recover instruction - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1036163

 

Notable Bugs

Link a preloaded <xul:browser> to a newly created tab instead of swapping docShells - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1077652

[Mac OS X] Cleanup package-manifest after OSX v2 signing changes - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096494

Decimal separator should be localized - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1042558

Bugzilla's "mozchomp" animated gif is broken/corrupted in Nightly - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101759

Toolbox disappears(whole browser turn black) temporarily during display transition - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101650

Performance problems when scrolling in a fullscreen element - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100140

control-f5 refresh removes data from appcache, breaking subsequent visits - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1095281

[gtk3] freeze in gdk_x11_window_set_user_time() - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097592

Blocklist D3D11 on Windows 7 with intel driver version 8.15.10.1749 - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1074378

Upgrade to SQLite 3.8.7.2 - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101217

Some AMD drivers seem to have an extra frame of delay - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1092260

[MAC OS X] Switch OS X drawing to use Display Link - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552020

Turn on layout.css.object-fit-and-position.enabled (to enable "object-fit" & "object-position" properties) - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1099450

 

Random

inline MathML does not play well with font inflation - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1002526

 

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Windows Stub Installer related changes also landed, fixing issue where uninstall doesn't clean files and causing issue in subsequent installation.

[remixedcat]

Don't like how they want to make yahoo (with its bad security issues) the default search now :( that's gonna bite em hard.

[+Zlip792 MVC]

Don't like how they want to make yahoo (with its bad security issues) the default search now :( that's gonna bite em hard.

 

It will take seconds to change back to other search engine, technically Yahoo Search is powered by Bing search, so switching to Bing if you will be in US, would be much better option. Though TBH, local content searches especially in my country is super bad on Bing.

[remixedcat]

But people are gonna be hella confused.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

It is easy enough to change the default search engine. That said I hope Mozilla include a 'how to set your default search engine' tutorial in the first run experience after the switch, to make it easier for the less technically inclined users.

[bawz]

Linux Distro's tend to change the default search engine anyway when compiling the Browser from source. , i dont like Bing, nore do i like Yahoo for that matter. i'd prefer, Google, DuckDuckgo