iuerg87yerg879e0rg9erugjer Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 seems to detect NTFS but cannot format with it... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuku. Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Most likely due to the merging of NTFS-3G and NTFSprogs a while back. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argi Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Better late than never I guess... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuku. Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:29, chAos972 said: Better late than never I guess... Well it's not really that important of a feature imho. Yes it may make it easier for people who are using for example NTFS formatted USB drives but I can't remember the last time I personally ran into such a need, the exFAT support was considerably more important due to various cameras starting to employ it recently. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThothTD Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 NTFS support has been in Snow Leopard. It only reads but default but you can enable the write function by: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=785376 It can be unstable, that's why, I guess, they never enabled it my default. Does Lion bring read and write natively? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondefaoite Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:31, daPhoenix said: ..the exFAT support was considerably more important .. Exactly. With both Windows 7 and Snow Leopard natively supporting exFat, I'm not sure if there is even a need for OS X to support writing to NTFS Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grinch Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:31, daPhoenix said: Well it's not really that important of a feature imho. Yes, and that is your opinion. For those of us in reality-land who have Windows partitions and whatnot, it is a welcome thing. Regardless if you could enable the flakey support in Snow Leopard or not. :p EDIT: Also, what is the problem with Apple adding 'options' for people? I fail to see any valid reason they should NOT support NTFS. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooky560 Veteran Posted May 2, 2011 Veteran Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:38, ThothTD said: NTFS support has been in Snow Leopard. It only reads but default but you can enable the write function by: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=785376 It can be unstable, that's why, I guess, they never enabled it my default. Does Lion bring read and write natively? I wish I'd known this before reformatting my USB drive into HFS Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 OS X has been able to read NTFS for ages (and recognize it in Disk Utility). This is nothing new at all. http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20050521110452194 (that article was about 10.4) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argi Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:38, jasondefaoite said: Exactly. With both Windows 7 and Snow Leopard natively supporting exFat, I'm not sure if there is even a need for OS X to support writing to NTFS Because interoperability with Windows is important to a lot of people. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amon91 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 That took a while. Especially since many people dual-boot between Windows and OSX nowadays. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuku. Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:39, DarkNovaGamer said: EDIT: Also, what is the problem with Apple adding 'options' for people? I fail to see any valid reason they should NOT support NTFS. When do we see Ext4 and HFS+ in Windows? Here's an estimate; never. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+virtorio MVC Posted May 2, 2011 MVC Share Posted May 2, 2011 Excellent. This will save me a bunch of time with not having to load up a virtual machine just to copy files to a disk. At work I use a lot of external drives that are used by Windows users, not all on Vista/7 (which counts out exFAT) and most of our data files are larger than the max file size FAT32 supports. Quote When do we see Ext4 and HFS+ in Windows? Here's an estimate; never. Which has what to do with Apple adding NTFS write support to OSX? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grinch Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:52, daPhoenix said: When do we see Ext4 and HFS+ in Windows? Here's an estimate; never. Never say never. Your opinion does not equal fact. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d4v1d05 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:39, DarkNovaGamer said: I fail to see any valid reason they should NOT support NTFS. When Microsoft open up the NTFS format for all to use, then Apple can fully support NTFS. What's the problem with Microsoft adding 'options' for people? I fail to see any valid reason they should NOT support HFS+. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:52, daPhoenix said: When do we see Ext4 and HFS+ in Windows? Here's an estimate; never. Yeah, because Microsoft is usually very slow to support anything other than their own formats for anything (other than common things like MPEG and JPEG). It took Windows 7 before Microsoft put in the ability to natively read MOV files (and even then, it only supports newer ones). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooky560 Veteran Posted May 2, 2011 Veteran Share Posted May 2, 2011 Will Windows work on HFS? It seems very different in design at the core to BSD and Linux Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen Smith Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:52, daPhoenix said: When do we see Ext4 and HFS+ in Windows? Here's an estimate; never. Not built in of course, and I can't comment on how well they work (never had the need) but there are ways for Windows boxes to read Ext4 and HFS. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 13:04, cooky560 said: Will Windows work on HFS? It seems very different in design at the core to BSD and Linux No, it won't. Current versions of Windows won't even install on FAT32 anymore (the last one that did was XP). As it stands right now, Windows is NTFS-only when it comes to booting. Arkose 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuku. Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 13:04, cooky560 said: Will Windows work on HFS? It seems very different in design at the core to BSD and Linux OSX won't work on top of NTFS either, it's merely an option to Read/Write devices employing the filesystem. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argi Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 13:00, d4v1d05 said: When Microsoft open up the NTFS format for all to use, then Apple can fully support NTFS. What's the problem with Microsoft adding 'options' for people? I fail to see any valid reason they should NOT support HFS+. When I installed Bootcamp drivers in Windows it allowed me to view the OSX volume. It'd be nice if it supported it natively but really the Mac population is too small to warrant the time spent. Microsoft has been better recently though. Particularly with Windows 7 when they introduced native DivX/Xvid support (don't you still need a plugin in OSX for that?). On 02/05/2011 at 13:04, cooky560 said: Will Windows work on HFS? It seems very different in design at the core to BSD and Linux Never, no. While Microsoft will eventually transition to something in the long distant future, NTFS is still the core of a lot of Windows functionality. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuku. Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 13:06, Jen Smith said: Not built in of course, and I can't comment on how well they work (never had the need) but there are ways for Windows boxes to read Ext4 and HFS. Of course but here's the crux of the problem; everyone keeps shouting how we must develop Windows interoperability but no one seems to demand that Microsoft do the same. The only concessions we've had so far have been when EU stepped in and told them "Do it or else". Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted May 2, 2011 Veteran Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:55, virtorio said: Excellent. This will save me a bunch of time with not having to load up a virtual machine just to copy files to a disk. At work I use a lot of external drives that are used by Windows users, not all on Vista/7 (which counts out exFAT) and most of our data files are larger than the max file size FAT32 supports. ... Microsoft released an update for XP that adds support for exFAT, I keep it on a thumb stick so I can install it on any old XP system I come across. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen Smith Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 13:10, daPhoenix said: Of course but here's the crux of the problem; everyone keeps shouting how we must develop Windows interoperability but no one seems to demand that Microsoft do the same. The only concessions we've had so far have been when EU stepped in and told them "Do it or else". No arguments there, and I wouldn't mind seeing the aging NTFS system get replaced with something a bit more modern. Rather pleased with Ext4 myself, can't comment on HFS as my Mac experience is limited to dabbling with a Hackintosh and is pretty rudimentary at best. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted May 2, 2011 Veteran Share Posted May 2, 2011 On 02/05/2011 at 12:38, jasondefaoite said: Exactly. With both Windows 7 and Snow Leopard natively supporting exFat, I'm not sure if there is even a need for OS X to support writing to NTFS not important huh? what about people who are in large organizations who rely on windows heavily who have massive amounts of data stored on NTFS volumes, and I'm not talking about network attached storage, but fiber channel SAN's and large portable external drives, etc....... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/994238-mac-os-x-lion-to-have-native-support-for-ntfs/#findComment-593948658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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