Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 6, 2011 Veteran Share Posted May 6, 2011 5. No Personal Attacks or RetaliationPersonal attacks such as instigating "flame bait", verbal abuse, mocking or sexist remarks of members in posts are not tolerated at Neowin. Such posts will be deleted on sight or moderated accordingly. As above, if you are a long standing member, act like one. Lead by example and assist other newer members rather than attacking them. Members that reply to posts simply to instigate argument will be warned / suspended from forum areas. Q. What is a troll? A. A troll is someone who will state something only with the intention of stirring up controversy. Q. What is trolling? A. Trolling is the art of taking a civilized discussion and turning it into a battleground through the use of over-the-top opinions or unverified claims that incite others. It can also be called "flame baiting" since the practice often is intended to get other members to respond emotionally with personal attacks. Q. Why doesn't Neowin like trolling? A. Trolling causes two problems. 1) Members get annoyed when their civilized discussion takes a sudden IQ nosedive. 2) It creates work for our moderating staff. Q. Doesn't Neowin want to hear our opinions? A. Yes, we do, but we do ask members to be somewhat mature and respectful when posting for the overall health and welfare of the community. There's nothing inherently wrong with sharing even extreme or edgy options but we'd like to see it done properly (a little logic and reasoning combined with some maturity and respectfulness). Q. Don't you issue warning for trolling? A. Trolling statements that are successful enough to result in flames will likely result in warning level increases for both the troll and for the person(s) who replied with personal attacks. Other than that, each situation would need to be considered individually. Q. Why does trolling seem inconsistent on Neowin? A. Slightly different thresholds may be applied in different areas of the site. We really, really do not like to see support threads where members ask a technical question about a specific problem involving a particular browser or operating system and somebody trolls the thread with his opinion of which browser/OS is the best. There may be a time and a place for that opinion (even on Neowin) but it certainly doesn't belong in a support thread where somebody is asking for help on a very specific situation. Members will stop asking for help, and indeed use other forums, if their technical support questions get hijacked with inane sub-conversations. Above all else, do not use technical support threads to continue personal vendettas against certain platforms. Q. If I see a troll what should I do? A. The #1 thing to remember is "Do not feed the troll" as this will only increase the amount of cleaning that our staff will need to do. If you reciprocate in any way, you may end up with a warning yourself, even if you end up reporting the post afterward. The best course of action is to use the report button so that our staff can contain it before it gets ugly. n.b. Please do not use this thread to discuss previous warnings. Send a PM to a Supervisor if you need more than general information. Also, do not use this thread to publicly identify potential Neowin trolls. If members fail to heed this advice then this thread will be closed and/or cleaned as necessary. Thank you. rosemartine and DentedAphid7 1 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun N. Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I R Hungorz, Feed me your tears!! nom nom kachan64 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Is calling someone a troll, a personal attack? Greg Zeng 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted May 6, 2011 Subscriber² Share Posted May 6, 2011 Can the same anti-troll rules be enforced on Neowin IRC as well please? While things have improved after some culprits were banned there are still certain users - they know who they are, as do staff - whose trolling is downright annoying. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 6, 2011 Author Veteran Share Posted May 6, 2011 (edited) Is calling someone a troll, a personal attack? It could be. Context is always important. It is one the few words where the truth might set you free. Other personal attacks, like calling someone an asshat/hole, is going to get you a warning even if we, as moderators, (privately) agree that the other member is one. Edited May 6, 2011 by Fred Derf Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasethebase Reporter Posted May 6, 2011 Reporter Share Posted May 6, 2011 Can the same anti-troll rules be enforced on Neowin IRC as well please? While things have improved after some culprits were banned there are still certain users - they know who they are, as do staff - whose trolling is downright annoying. This (Y) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 6, 2011 Author Veteran Share Posted May 6, 2011 Can the same anti-troll rules be enforced on Neowin IRC as well please? While things have improved after some culprits were banned there are still certain users - they know who they are, as do staff - whose trolling is downright annoying. I did not have IRC in mind when I created this thread so you would have to discuss those matters with the chat mods. I, personally, tend to concentrate on the forums. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frylock86 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Other personal attacks, like calling someone an asshat/hole, is going to get you a warning even if we, as moderators, agree that the other member is one. LOL! Glassed Silver 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan R. Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 A. Trolling causes two problems. 1) Members get annoyed when their civilized discussion takes a sudden IQ nosedive. 2) It creates work for our moderating staff. This. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frylock86 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Q. If I see a troll what should I do? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amon91 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 If a troll bans itself, can they still be considered trolls?</troll> Other than that, I love this thread. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frylock86 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 If a Troll trolls, and no one is around to see it, does the Troll still troll? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593962186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerFan Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 If a Troll trolls, and no one is around to see it, does the Troll still troll? Yes, but nobody cares. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593964322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Wan Kenobi Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Thanks, Fred...that's exactly what I wanted to read :p J/K, it's nice to have a reminder every now and then. Good job, Fred! :cool: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593964328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconian Guppy Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Ok so trolling is not allowed? But flame bait is :devil: ? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593964334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muratoner Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Ok so trolling is not allowed? But flame bait is :devil: ? flame wars are fun to watch lol Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593964352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxx.xxxxxx Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Can the same anti-troll rules be enforced on Neowin IRC as well please? While things have improved after some culprits were banned there are still certain users - they know who they are, as do staff - whose trolling is downright annoying. +1 this is the main reason why i dont frequent the irc channel Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593964772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee G. Veteran Posted May 7, 2011 Veteran Share Posted May 7, 2011 Ok so trolling is not allowed? But flame bait is :devil: ? No! No Personal Attacks or RetaliationPersonal attacks such as instigating "flame bait", verbal abuse, mocking or sexist remarks of members in posts are not tolerated at Neowin. Such posts will be deleted on sight or moderated accordingly. As above, if you are a long standing member, act like one. Lead by example and assist other newer members rather than attacking them. Members that reply to posts simply to instigate argument will be warned / suspended from forum areas. Neowin Community Rules Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593964804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duality Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 The unfortunate thing is "troll" is just the word people use for "that person that has a different opinion to mine" now. The number of times I have read a thread here and found people referring to others as trolls just because they have a difference of opinion is astounding. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593964840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 7, 2011 Author Veteran Share Posted May 7, 2011 Please do not use this thread to discuss previous warnings. Send a PM to a Supervisor if you need more than general information. Also, do not use this thread to publicly identify potential Neowin trolls. If members fail to heed this advice then this thread will be closed and/or cleaned as necessary. Thank you. [Thread Cleaned] Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593965300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidSolstice Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 [Thread Cleaned] Sorry about that, won't happen again. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593965302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasethebase Reporter Posted May 7, 2011 Reporter Share Posted May 7, 2011 The unfortunate thing is "troll" is just the word people use for "that person that has a different opinion to mine" now. The number of times I have read a thread here and found people referring to others as trolls just because they have a difference of opinion is astounding. No, there is the opinion, which is typically fair enough, but a troll is usually obvious to spot, and will write something out of the ordinary to bring about responses to it. They will do this on purpose, and it can usually be noticed quite easily in comparison. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593965454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 I do agree that staff should lead by example, and anyone is perfectly within their rights to report those types of infractions. We may have a right to report them but it's a waste of time seeing as you just ignore it Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593967000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted May 8, 2011 Administrators Share Posted May 8, 2011 We may have a right to report them but it's a waste of time seeing as you just ignore it All thats needed there is a little common-sense. Why report it to me when you know full well I hardly ever participate in #neowin when there are other staff and Supervisors present and interacting in the #neowin channel? Would you report it to Daniel, Redmak or Frogboy as well, who also never participate in #neowin? Come on! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/995370-learn-a-forum-rule-trolls-and-trolling/#findComment-593967004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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