Udedenkz Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I've never had any issues with win7 scrolling performance, thumbnails, or search speed... netbook? Udedenkz please stop with the scrolling arguments. No sane person will scroll up and down 20,000 times in 5 seconds to look at the CPU usage, that has got to be the most useless test of a OS performance I have ever heard of. You just have to scroll to notice the lagging. You do not need to scroll much. EX: Documents, Downloads, Pictures, the music list in Windows Media Player Learn to read. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Um I do not have ANY lag on all 5 of my systems, and I have never noticed any lag on hundreds of systems at my university. Maybe you just have a bad system. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I think people that do not get infected and run without an anti-virus should share their secrets (browsing habits, daily tasks, routines, software, browser configuration, etc..). This may be of interest. Um I do not have ANY lag on all 5 of my systems, and I have never noticed any lag on hundreds of systems at my university. Maybe you just have a bad system. How much faster are they compared to Athlon II P340? How much faster is their HD compared to a low-end 5200 RPM? Although the original post for the horrible performance is on my notebook, I notice performance differences VERY EASILY especially on a netbook. (EX: Have you noticed the massive difference in CPU utilization between WMP and MPC:HC ?) On the netbook, in Fallout 3 when there are more then 2 enemies around the FPS does go down and with more than 4 - I need to resort to VATS. On the notebook, there is some bad race conditions between the physics engine and the main engine in Dragon Age Origins towards the end of the game where one laggs behind the other. Obviously DAII is out of the question due to the epic-fast CPU of mine. If you haven't noticed I said that these are fixable by not using the pre-installed Windows Explorer and its fail-search making Windows 7 a proffered choice to Windows XP even in the area of such performance tricky areas. So drop it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 No you drop it. The systems at my university all have 2.18Ghz Core2 Duo systems, and they have never, NEVER had any of the problems with what you are saying since day 1 of Windows 7. There are hundreds of computers on campus. Some might boot up slower due to it being an older system, but they have NEVER had scrolling speed issues. Read that again: NEVER. It is NOT a Windows 7 issue, it must be your system cannot handle Windows 7 that well. The fact that I can have multiple games running at the same time with no FPS drop at all suggest you are having a hardware issue. It is not all Windows 7 fault. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdot.tk Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-7s-infection-rates-five-times-lower-than-windows-xp Clearly someone hasn't been reading the front page :laugh: You miss my point. Read the links I posted. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexalex Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Windows 7 has just as many vulnerabilities as XP. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms11-feb.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms11-mar.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms11-apr.mspx Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexalex Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Work on some consistency, why don't you? I've offered honest explanations about how alexalex could technically be using the same "install" of Windows XP but still have restored from his backup over again, and he hasn't responded to that yet, I don't understand what answer are you waiting for ? What same install ? The original install date doesn't change with service packs (now sp3) or security and other updates. So, when I upgraded my 60GB hdd to 80GB hdd a year ago, and restored from an image backup taken minutes before the upgrade, nothing should or have been changed in regard to original install date. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 That is nothing compared to what I did. I took out my hard drive from my dead laptop and put it into another one. Windows XP worked without any issues even though the only familiar piece of hardware was the HD! :blink: No you drop it. The systems at my university all have 2.18Ghz Core2 Duo systems, and they have never, NEVER had any of the problems with what you are saying since day 1 of Windows 7. There are hundreds of computers on campus. Some might boot up slower due to it being an older system, but they have NEVER had scrolling speed issues. Read that again: NEVER. It is NOT a Windows 7 issue, it must be your system cannot handle Windows 7 that well. The fact that I can have multiple games running at the same time with no FPS drop at all suggest you are having a hardware issue. It is not all Windows 7 fault. FYI, that CPU is a lot more powerful. So do we agree that W7 requires a massive amount of hardware power to do the same things XP does with little hardware power? And do we agree that the easy way to amend this is to not use Internet/Windows Explorer? Also, your University is a failure if it allows you to play games on their computers. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEVER85 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 That is nothing compared to what I did. I took out my hard drive from my dead laptop and put it into another one. Windows XP worked without any issues even though the only familiar piece of hardware was the HD! :blink: FYI, that CPU is a lot more powerful. So do we agree that W7 requires a massive amount of hardware power to do the same things XP does with little hardware power? And do we agree that the easy way to amend this is to not use Internet/Windows Explorer? Also, your University is a failure if it allows you to play games on their computers. An OS released in 2001 has lower system requirements than an OS released in 2009? COLOR ME SHOCKED! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 An OS released in 2001 has lower system requirements than an OS released in 2009? COLOR ME SHOCKED! This is because of poor optimization of the new Windows Explorer / Windows Media Player as 3rd party alternatives do 10x better. CPU-wise there is negligible difference between the two OS. Same Dragon Age performance for example. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windsinger Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 That is the single-most full of s*** comment I've ever heard. Get real. Laughable. If there is anyone who needs a "get real" clue, it is you. A plethora of tools are available for xp such that, if I wanted the same level of security that W7 offers, it is there for the taking. All one needs to do is string two neurons together to do the research. You can keep your Vista 2.0. Don't curse the rest of us who didn't bite the bait Ballmer set out for the usual herd. Death to Windows XP. Maybe in five years. Then you can try again. Sorry but this bridge is too short for you, troll. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEVER85 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 This is because of poor optimization of the new Windows Explorer / Windows Media Player as 3rd party alternatives do 10x better. CPU-wise there is negligible difference between the two OS. Same Dragon Age performance for example. Explorer in Win7 is fine. I don't know where you come up with these issues. Of course it's going to seem clunkier on lower-end hardware that was released years before 7 came out. XP's Explorer is clunky and "poorly optimized" compared to Windows 2000's Explorer. Windows 98's Explorer is clunky and poorly optimized compared to Windows 95's Explorer. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) Explorer in Win7 is fine. I don't know where you come up with these issues. Of course it's going to seem clunkier on lower-end hardware that was released years before 7 came out. XP's Explorer is clunky and "poorly optimized" compared to Windows 2000's Explorer. Windows 98's Explorer is clunky and poorly optimized compared to Windows 95's Explorer. I have an issue with this argument, Older Windows Explorer may be faster but they are also worse (+/- removed features). Windows 7 explorer has a good interface and features like Libraries are a major win, except it is slow. Why do I have to wait for a folder with a few hundred thumbnails to load? It is just thumbnails that have been cached and thus should load instantly, should they not? Anyway I always bring up 3rd party explorer alternatives -> they support the new features such as libraries AND they are really fast. That is, even feature-filled explorer alternative CAN BE ****in' FAST. Therefore Windows Explorer could have been really damn fast, but it is not. Your argument may work for Windows Search: It is slow because it searches inside files, older ones (like Classic Search) are much faster because they do not. Still software such as Everything Search shocked me - indexing an entire HD: few seconds - search anything: pretty much instant. My original post said that W7 is not perfect (for reasons just like the above) but can be perfect with 3rd party programs such as Chrome, Everything Search, etc - which makes Windows XP *not* useful to stick with. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Okay seriously this is getting ridiculous. Does Windows 98 require more specs than Windows 95? Does Windows XP require more specs than Windows 98? YES Why are people so shocked when Windows 7 cannot run on 2001 hardware I mean come on. Seriously, if you meet the requirements, everything you listed runs very fast. I get instant search results due to indexing, I get no scrolling lag, Win7 boots up faster than I could get Windows XP to, and I get pretty fast search results when I search non indexed locations. BTW Windows 7 will NOT search inside files for non indexed items. Why dont you learn what you criticize? You see the first option? Yes even searching by filenames can be slow if you have a million files, but will you seriously defend XP and say that is instantaneous when in fact it is not? XP has horrible searching. Again: You are having a hardware requirements issue. Windows Explorer IS FAST on systems that meet the requirements. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593986990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udedenkz Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) edit: forget it, otherwise I will get warned for driving this thread more offtopic Edited May 15, 2011 by Udedenkz Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593987002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I'm using Windows XP SP3 with NO security and I am doing just fine... :blink: Amen to that brother. :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593987006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethec Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 This topic is pointless. People who think XP is as secure as Vista or 7 don't know anything about the evolution of Windows security anyway (integrity levels, for example) ; they will not be convinced. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593987078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuku. Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 An OS released in 2001 has lower system requirements than an OS released in 2009? COLOR ME SHOCKED! 2011 Linux distributions run on exactly the same hardware as on 2001, if you so choose. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593987086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thechronic Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Providing the machine you are attempting to install Windows 7 on meets the minimum requirements, you can pretty much guarantee an improvement. Windows XP has been a fantastic Operating System and in some circumstances it still makes perfect sense to use it. Some machines are unable to run Windows 7, while XP runs perfectly well, being adequately stable and secure for everyday usage providing the user takes precautions and exercises his/her common sense. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593987118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deuz Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 When win7 can run on my 5 year old celeron or on a first gen netbook I'll get it. Until then I will stick with win xp. :) Win 7 runs fine on my i5 though :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593987138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del-Funky Smelly Be. Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 XP sucks badly. N00bs are still using it. Period. :angry: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593987156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurizer Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 When win7 can run on my 5 year old celeron or on a first gen netbook I'll get it. Until then I will stick with win xp. :) Win 7 runs fine on my i5 though :p I'm not sure what you're doing wrong. I've installed Ultimate on two Centrino laptops that are 7 and 9 years old, both run just fine except for no Aero Glass. Or is it a hardware compatibility issue you're talking about instead of a performance one? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593987204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 2011 Linux distributions run on exactly the same hardware as on 2001, if you so choose. Yes, in most cases, just as badly. I have an old and slow laptop and the newest versions of Ubuntu are both slower and work worse than XP and 7 on the same hardware. Most Linux distributions with the more fully featured window managers have pretty similar memory and CPU footprints to Windows 7 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/997106-users-who-think-xp-is-good-enough-need-to-see-infection-rates/page/5/#findComment-593988688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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